| Discussion: Shure beta 91 kick mic....& other kick mics |
MyNameHere
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|       | 10:37 pm on Jan. 1, 2003 |
I'm pretty set on the sennheiser e602...but then my guitarist mentiosn the beta 91 kick, and how he and some friends did a mic shootout and went "wow!" when they just tossed it in the kick. I've tried to read up on it, but all the forum places just have mostly people who say, "Yeah I have the _____ kick mic and I think it rocks!". Nobody really compares them. My style is melodic rock (emo, sort of). I might record other bands in the near future, most bands around here are punk or something like it. I heard the d112 is more boomy, the shure beta 58 is more attack, and the sennheiser is more inbetween. But not much on the beta 91, except that it's easy to use. Also its a condensor. So after all this blabber, any educated opinions on which I should get? (please don't respond if you have only tried one kick mic). I'm especially interested in some feedback on the 91.
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KEN1
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|  | 11:00 pm on Jan. 1, 2003 |
Beta 52....end of story (IMHO).
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MyNameHere
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| | 11:21 pm on Jan. 1, 2003 |
you're gonna have to be more specific here. Have you tried other mics?
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KEN1
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| | 12:00 am on Jan. 2, 2003 |
I've got about 7 drummer friends who refered me to the Beta 52 before I bought one. I was also in your predicament until I got their referals. Shure makes quality mics.
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MyNameHere
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| | 12:41 am on Jan. 2, 2003 |
ive heard good things about that mic, but I've also heard that the beta 91 is just better. have you ever tried it? and i wasn't trying to come off as mean, I was just looking for an explanation.
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Fede
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Posts: | | 4:03 am on Jan. 2, 2003 |
| I haven't got any personal experience with the Beta 91, or actually I'm not sure. I did do a live recording once, where some sort of boundary was used in the bassdrum, but if it was the Beta 91 or not I don't know. What I do know is that the result was HORRIBLE! Extraordinarily wimpy bassdrum sound. But, like I said, I don't know exactly what mic was but that experience has made me most hesitant about boundary-mics on kick. Besides this, one of the most important things when micing a bassdrum IMHO is trying out lots of different mic placements and I would imagine a mic like the Beta 91 is very limited in this regard. But these are all just assumptions....
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Frederik Rosenkjær, Copenhagen, Denmark
www.music-n-stuff.dk (in Danish)
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MyNameHere
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| | 12:33 pm on Jan. 2, 2003 |
that was my concern w/ it. I'm afraid I'll just plop it down there and if there's a bad sound, I'm screwed. Guess I'll not consider that one. Well I'll probably just buy the sennheiser, try it, and if I don't like it, return it and try the beta 58. Thanks for the input.
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MyNameHere
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| | 5:28 pm on Jan. 4, 2003 |
Well now I'm all frazzled...is the sennheiser md421 better than the e602? Fede have you had any experience with both? If the 421 sounds as good or better i would pay the extra $100 cuz I could use it for many other things as well...the e602 seems to be a one trick pony.
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Fede
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| | 6:47 pm on Jan. 4, 2003 |
| Yes, I have two MD421. They are excellent on toms and lots of other stuff - you can make great vocal tracks with it....who needs an LD condenser?!? :o) I was using those two for kick drums for several years, which they also do quite well, but I must say they're no match for a real kick mic if you want a modern (nineties)-bassdrum sound. The MD421 does not reach as far down as I wanted - the e602's do. I bought the e602's specifically because of this and they have not dissappointed me. Before I was cranking the bottom end, trying to create something that wasn't there - with the e602s I rarely touch the bottom end of the EQ - maybe add a bit of click and scoop a bit of mid, but they often sound fine just as they are. I you want a lighter 60ties / 70ties -kickdrum sound, though, the MD421 will be just fine. ----------
Frederik Rosenkjær, Copenhagen, Denmark
www.music-n-stuff.dk (in Danish)
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Fede
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| | 7:10 pm on Jan. 4, 2003 |
| I just found two different takes I did of the same song, with two different mic setups - before e602 and after e602. The clip is 411kB and is located here:
www.music-n-stuff.dk/mp3/kicktest.mp3 In the clip you'll hear the same 4 bars of an intro (all drums) played on the same kit, same bassdrum, first using the MD421 then it cuts to the e602-version, recorded a couple of months later. Keep in mind that the EQ on the MD421-track was cranked quite hard to bring out the lowest frequencies - with little luck - while the e602-track has got no EQ in the bottom end. This clip is best experienced on a speaker system that will reproduce the frequencies we're talking about (<80 Hz). On my monitors the difference is night and day, but if you only have a couple small PC-speakers, you might as well forget about it... :o) ----------
Frederik Rosenkjær, Copenhagen, Denmark
www.music-n-stuff.dk (in Danish)
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